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By Dr. Richard Ing

February 9, 2007




One of the most controversial topics in deliverance is the area of disembodied spirits or ghosts.  Publishers refuse to include a chapter on ghosts because the body of Christ has been taught that there is no such thing as ghosts or spirits of dead people haunting the earth.  This, in spite of the fact that just about every other culture in the world believes in the existence of ghosts or disembodied spirits and the Bible clearly uses the word “ghost” in several scriptures.


The term "disembodied spirits" refers to spirits of dead persons, or ghosts, as popularly called.  From the outset, let me say that there are no Christian ghosts walking the earth.  All true believers go straight to heaven when they die.  Ghosts are unbelievers that never made it to heaven or hell.  They are stuck on earth.


Does the Bible recognize or acknowledge the fact of human spirits (as opposed to demons) wandering the earth? 




Just about very culture in the world believes in ghosts or spirits of dead people - from North to South and from East to West.  European legends and current beliefs among Europeans is that there are such things as ghosts (spirits of dead people) that stick around for whatever reason.  Far Eastern culture is also steeped with stories of spirits of dead people haunting the earth.  South Pacific tales are also full of ghost stories -apparitions, ghosts and phantoms that haunt ineffable humans.  Part of American culture, of course, shares in the belief that there are such things as ghosts, specters or apparitions of dead people.


This, of course, does not prove beyond a doubt that such things exist.  Popular opinion does not create truth.  Even with the apparent experiences of multitudes of individuals, one can take the position that these so-called apparitions or ghosts are no more than demons counterfeiting dead humans or are figments of imagination.  Indeed, that is what many Christians claim.




The Bible indicates that when Jesus walked the earth, the people in that time frame did believe in ghosts (we'll use the term "ghost" in the sense of spirits of dead people, as distinguished from spirit, as in Holy Spirit).  In Mark 6, we recall the episode in which Jesus had preached to five thousand men in a desert place.  They had brought no food, and Jesus having compassion, fed the crowd on five loaves of bread and two fishes.  Verse 38.  After that, Jesus instructed His disciples to get into a ship and go to the other side of the sea, while he sent the people away.  When evening came, the disciples were rowing laboriously because the winds had risen and were blowing against them.  Verses 48-49 say:


                                    And he saw them toiling in rowing: for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.  But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:....  (King James Version)


For one thing, it is easy to see how the disciples could have concluded that Jesus was dead, knowing that a mob of 5,000 could push forward in their zeal to touch or see Jesus and the pressure of pushing crowds could have caused people at the front to fall down upon Jesus and crush Him to death. 


In this passage, Strong's Concordance makes a distinction between the word "spirit" as commonly used to explain the Holy Spirit or man's spirit.  In this definition (#5326) it is called "phantasma," or "phantom," or "specter," clearly pointing to a spirit of a dead person as compared to the common definition of human spirit (#4151) which is "pneuma", breath, current of air, an angel, demon or God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit.


Similarly, in Luke 24, the disciples knew that Jesus had died on the cross.  He was dead, as far as they knew.  Now, two disciples claimed that they had walked with Jesus the day before on the road to Emmaus.  Verses 35-37 say:


                                    And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known to them in breaking of bread.  And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.  But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.


Again, the definition of the word "spirit" in this passage is not found in reference to the human spirit or Holy Spirit (#4151), but rather, is defined as “phantom” or “specter” (#5326), a reference to the spirit of a dead person still on the earth.


True, the Bible does not flat out say, "There are such things as spirits of dead people wandering the earth."  But the disciples certainly believed that it was so in these episodes. They thought it was a specter, apparition or phantom - a ghost, not "spirit" in the way it is used in Holy "Spirit."  Both Matthew and Luke used the word “ghost” in the Greek.


There is a well-known episode in the Old Testament that probably raises more questions than it answers.  It is found in I Sa. 28.  Samuel, the prophet, died and Saul dearly desired counsel from God regarding the next day's battle with the Philistines.  All his efforts to contact God had been fruitless.  In desperation, he sought a woman with a familiar spirit.  We call her the witch of Endor.  Saul disguised himself and asked the woman to raise Samuel up.  Verses. 8, 11.  She proceeded to do so.  Verse 12 says, "And when the woman saw Samuel...."  It does not say, "And when the woman saw a figure, or a demon counterfeiting Samuel, or a spirit...."  It specifically says that it was Samuel that she saw.


Verse 14b says, "... and Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself."  In verses 15-16, the passage says, “And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?  And Saul answered, I am sore distressed... (etc.).  Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee and is become thine enemy?"


Some writers claim that this spirit was not really Samuel, but a demon or devil counterfeiting Samuel, since no human spirit can come up to earth.  That is what you call boot-strapping.  In other words, you come to a conclusion first, and then you fit the scripture into your conclusion.  If it was a demon, the Holy Spirit could have easily directed the writer to say, "The demon counterfeiting Samuel said...."  Here, however, the Bible twice says, "And Samuel said....", naming the figure “Samuel.”  Moreover, both the woman and Saul recognized the spirit to be Samuel himself.


Samuel proceeded to tell Saul:


                                    And the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David:  Because thou obeyest not the voice of the Lord, nor executest his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day.  Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines; and tomorrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: The Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.  Verses 17-19.


This spirit had to be Samuel, who was the only one who knew what God had said about Saul and the Amaleks early in Saul’s career.  I Sa. 15.  What this spirit said to Saul was exactly what Samuel had said to Saul when Samuel was alive.  No one else knew that God had passed judgment against Saul and his house because of Saul's earlier disobedience.  No one else knew that God had said that the kingdom would be given to Saul's neighbor.  I Sa. 15:28. 


The spirit specifically identified himself as Samuel.  He said, "As the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me:...."  (Underlining added)  The Lord had indeed spoken through Samuel.  The spirit then proceeded to reveal the secret about Saul and David, and he accurately prophesied the death of Saul and his sons the following day and the defeat of Israel.  In the original prophecy, Samuel never mentioned David.  Here, however, he accurately prophesied that it was David who would be the next king.


While it is possible to argue that an evil spirit had overheard Samuel's conversation with Saul when Samuel informed Saul of God's displeasure in the saving of the king of the Amaleks and the best animals had counterfeited Samuel, and then made a lucky guess regarding the next day's events, and also guessed that it would be David who would take over Saul's throne, it is highly improbable.  There is absolutely nothing in the passage to support that contention.


As stated earlier, that passage also opens up Pandora's box because it raises other unanswerable questions.  How could a familiar spirit make it possible to call the spirit of someone who was in Abraham's bosom?  It is puzzling enough to wonder how a familiar spirit can raise the spirit of a person from hell (sheol), much less out of Abraham's bosom (where the saved went in the Old Testament).  Those are questions we decline to address here since they are not relevant to our discussion.


There is another scripture that raises the possibility of human spirits remaining on earth or returning after physical death.  Isaiah 29:3-4 says:


                                    And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.  And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.


To be "brought down" is to be killed, destroyed, defeated or caused to fall.  In Lamentations 2:2, the Bible uses that expression as follows:  The Lord hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied: he hath thrown down in his wrath the strong holds of the daughter of Judah; he hath brought them down to the ground: .…”   The same expression is used in Isaiah 43:14b:  "... For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships."  In Isaiah 14:11, the prophet says, "Thy pomp is brought down to the grave...."  In Verse 15, he says, "Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."  While the two latter verses are more definite as to where the "brought down" was going to end up (the grave, hell, sides of the pit), it is clear that destruction, defeat and death are proper meanings.


Coming back to Isaiah 29:3-4, how can one speak out of the ground, low out of the dust, unless he were dead?  Supposedly, a person with a familiar spirit will speak as if the spirit were speaking through them, in a whisper out of the dust.  Here, the scriptures say that "... thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit...."  (Underlining added)  One who has a familiar spirit does not speak of his own; when he speaks, it is actually the familiar spirit who is speaking.  They will speak out of the ground, low out of the dust with a voice that sounds like the voice of the familiar spirit that speaks through them.  In other words, it is not so much that they will be like the person with the familiar spirit, but the familiar spirit itself.


A familiar spirit is a spirit that is on the earth, not in hell or anywhere else.  Therefore, if the dead are like a familiar spirit, they too are found on the earth.


The writers of the New International Version (NIV) had the same thought in mind.  Let's see how they interpret Isaiah 29:4: "Brought low, you will speak from the ground; your speech will mumble out of the dust.  Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth; out of the dust your speech will whisper."  (Underlining added)  The statement validates that the voice of a ghost (spirit of a dead person) sounds like it comes out of the dust or ground.  The New American Standard Bible says, "Your voice shall also be like that of a spirit from the ground...."  


It could, of course, be argued that the people upon whom judgment is being prophesied will be so subjugated and humbled that they are not even allowed to speak as normal human beings.  Even if we concede that unlikely argument, the mere fact that the NIV uses the word "ghostlike" is an acknowledgment that even God recognized that there are spirits of dead people on the earth.  Remember, it is God who is speaking in Isaiah 29.


The New American Standard Bible expresses the same verse this way:


     Then you shall be brought low;

     From the earth you shall speak

     And from the dust where you are prostrate,

     Your Words shall come.

     Your voice shall also be like that of a spirit

    from the ground.


The Living Bible says it this way:  "Your voice will whisper like a ghost from the earth where you lie buried."  (Underlining added)


Again, The Amplified Bible puts it this way:


And you shall be laid low [Jerusalem], speaking from beneath the ground, and your speech shall come humbly from the dust.  And your voice shall be like that of a ghost [produced by a medium] coming from the earth and your speech shall whisper and squeak as it chatters from the dust.  (Underlining added)


Anyway you look at it, the use of the word "ghost" and not "spirit" implies the spirit of a dead person.  The Amplified says, "... speaking from beneath the ground....", meaning that the voice is coming from a person who is dead and buried.  The Living Bible explicitly says, "... from the earth where you lie buried."  We cannot avoid concluding that God is talking about the spirits of dead people speaking on earth.




The Bible talks about a spirit named "Hades" or "Hell."  Revelation 6:8 says, "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him."


Revelation 20:13-14 says, “And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.…”


Death is a spirit.  There is also a spirit named "Hell."  In I Cor. 15:24-26, the scriptures say that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven until the end:


                                    Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.  The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


Death is not just an occurrence or a state or stage in life.  It is a spirit, an entity, a world-wide power.  Bringing life to termination or expiration is the function of this spirit.  It is sometimes referred to as the destroyer, or the waster.  In Exodus 12:23, God declared that He was going to do one last miracle in Egypt to prove that He was indeed God.  That night, all the first born of every creature was going to die.  However, he would spare the Israelites if they would place the blood of a perfect male lamb on the lintel and sideposts of the door to their house.  Verse 23b says, "... the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you."  In this verse, the destroyer was spoken of as if it were an entity, a person.


Likewise, in Isaiah 54:16, God says, "Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth in instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy."


If Death is a spirit or entity, so is Hell.  Why does Hell follow Death?  Because the work of the spirit of death is to bring about death.  The work of the spirit of hell or hades is to take the spirits of unbelievers at the point of death and either send them straight to hell or torment them by leaving them to wander on earth.  Hell's work begins where Death's work ends, as death comes to an unbeliever.


The Bible tells us that a believer, upon death, goes straight to heaven to be with the Lord, but what happens to the spirit of an unbeliever?  We are told that he ultimately ends up in hell.  Hell is not only a place, but the name of the spirit that is in control of the spirits of unbelievers when they die.  Hell may be the ultimate destination of an unbeliever, but is it possible that the spirit of an unbeliever can also be left on earth as a torment?




Spirits of dead people that are left to wander the earth are supposedly tormented because: (1) they are usually unable to communicate with the living and in some cases, they have some message they desire to deliver but can't; (2) the lusts they had in life are increased at least hundredfold; (3) they are lost and have no idea where to go to be released from wandering.


In a book entitled Return from Tomorrow, by Dr. George G. Richie2, the author claims to have died of flu at the age of 19.  It was 1942, at the beginning of World War II and he was in army basic training when a flu epidemic hit the camp.  He found himself being escorted by an angel who took him on an excursion on earth where he saw many spirits of dead people.  He was taken to a bar in a strange town where he observed ghosts of dead people trying desperately to drink beer or liquor.  As live men lifted up their glasses of beer and whiskey, the ghosts tried to lap it up.  They were totally frustrated and tormented when they could not drink the beer.  The angel explained that these people never conquered their lust for alcohol while they were alive.  The same is true with sexual lust. 


Dr. Richie's spirit returned to his body and he came back to life, although his physical body had already been placed in a morgue.  Later, as he and some of his buddies were catching a ride home in a friend's car to spend Christmas at home, he recognized a street in a Midwest town he had never been in before.  It was the town the angel had taken him to.  They stopped before the very bar that the angel had taken him before.  It was exactly as he remembered it, inside and out.


We don't know exactly why some spirits linger on earth and some don't.  As mentioned earlier, the spirit of hell has the option to either take them straight to hell or leave them on earth.  Other so-called experts in paranormal activity claim that sudden death, as with an automobile accident or even a heart attack, may leave the spirits of dead people lingering around the scene of death.  Others claim that inordinate affection for an object or property can also cause the spirits of dead persons to linger.  For instance, a person who loved a particular house, jewelry, garden or room, may haunt the environs.  Still others claim that a pre-mature death in which the individual had unfinished business may cause the spirit to linger.  No one really knows for sure.  Suffice to say that for some reason, spirits of dead people can wander the earth.  As mentioned earlier, these are spirits or ghosts of unsaved persons. 


There are cases, however, where innocent people such as babies, some not even born, can remain on earth.  Aborted babies or babies that were victims of miscarriage or were still-born infants can remain on earth.  Again, we don't know the reason why.




There are many cases in which the spirits of babies who were the victims of abortion, miscarriage or who were still-born, continue to linger on earth and often live in the bodies of relatives.  Usually, it is the mother, but sometimes a sister, brother or other member of the family.  In one case, the spirit of an aunt was living in a niece's body.


Dr. Kenneth McAll, author of the book entitled Healing the Family Tree, claims that he has documented over 1,400 cases of spirits of children living in or around the body of relatives.  This author has had a spattering of such cases.  In one incident, a woman in my church related that in a dream, she found herself going home after work.  When she arrived home, she could see that she lived in a two-story dwelling.  The bottom floor was the house she lived in as a youngster; the second floor was her present house.  As she entered the bottom floor, she heard noises upstairs.  Thinking it was a burglar, she crept upstairs and peered into her bedroom where she saw a woman rummaging through her belongings.  She could see only the back of the woman.  She walked up to the woman, grabbed her shoulders and turned her around.  To her surprise, it was a young girl that looked amazingly like her.  She told the young woman, "You stay here while I go next door to call the police."  When she got back, the girl was gone.


I asked the woman in my church, "Did you ever have an abortion, miscarriage or still-born infant?"  "No" was her reply.  "That's strange," I said, "I thought the dream indicated that there is a disembodied spirit trying to live her life through you." 


Two weeks later, the woman approached me after service.  "Brother Richard," she said, "I talked to my mother and she said that before my father was born, his mother had a still-born daughter."  "Did they give her a name?" I asked.  "Yes, they named her Helen."


"Helen," I said, "I'm going to ask God to send angels to pick you up and take you to Jesus in heaven."  The woman immediately slumped to the floor, curled up like a fetus and began crying and whimpering like a baby.  I prayed for God's angels to come and pick up Helen.  Within seconds, the woman jumped to her feet, shouting, "Alleluia!"  She ran around the church hugging people.  She said, "Something left.  I could feel something come out of me." 


In another case, I was speaking on the topic of spirits of children and when I concluded my talk, I asked if anyone wanted prayer.  A woman about sixty years old raised her hand.  She had come from the Philippines and could hardly speak English.  As I prayed for her, she suddenly threw her hands in the air, began to tremble and become agitated.  Four separate voices came out of her mouth (not at the same time, of course).  "Mama, I don't want to go."  "Maa.... don't pray."  "Mom, I want to stay."  "Maa...."  The woman gave a shudder and her arms fell to her side and she began to breath heavily.  When she had recovered her senses, she related that she had had four stillborn sons in the Philippines and she even saw her husband, who had been dead for twelve years.  They had all been living in or around her.


On several occasions, I had the privilege of speaking to an assembly of men and women.  As I spoke on the topic of abortions, miscarriages and still-born infants, a number of women would run out the room, sometimes with their hand over their mouth.  Later, they would explain to me that they had an abortion before and as I spoke, they suddenly felt nauseous and had to run to the restroom.  One young girl came to my Bible class.  I never met her before and didn't know anything about her background.  As I spoke about spirits of dead people, she ran into my bathroom and started vomiting.  Later, I discovered that she had five abortions before she had reached 22 years of age. 




The Bible does not say we can cast out spirits of dead persons.  We cast out devils.  Therefore, I pray and ask God to send angels to pick up the spirits of dead persons that are either living in the body of the person being prayed over or hanging around the person.  I inform the spirits that we love them, that Jesus loves them and that the angels will take them to Jesus.  I also ask God to have the angels pick the spirits up and take them to heaven for judgment or whatever he wants to do with them.  If it is the spirit of a dead baby, I don't speak judgment, but love.


Sometimes, I ask that God would send a beam of light to show the spirits which direction to go, that the beam of light would take them to heaven and the angels are there to guide them.


I use the same technique when cleansing haunted dwellings or places.  If it is an outside area, I sometimes conduct Holy Communion and I walk the perimeter of the premises and bury pieces of bread and pour wine or juice representing the blood of Jesus on the ground, at the same time declaring that this place belongs to the kingdom of God, and asking for God's angels to pick up the spirits of dead people.  I don’t think that bread, wine or oil is absolutely necessary.  It is the Holy Spirit and His angels that do the job anyway.


The point to be made is that I do not cast out the spirits, but ask God to dispose of them, using His angels.  It has proven very effective.




Years ago, I was asked to be the principal speaker at an Easter Convention in Fiji.  One particular evening service lasted until 10 p.m.  I retired to my cottage along with a small group of pastors.  Within minutes, a young girl knocked at my door.  She was quite large and strong and in her arms was another young girl of around 12 years old.  The 12 year old was completely unconscious.  She laid the girl on the concrete floor.  "What happened?" I asked.  "She fell down during praise and worship and we cannot get her up," was the answer.  There were two pastors from the local Anglican church, another one from the local Assembly of God church and several pastors and members of the local Methodist church watching.


I began to pray, bind up spirits and call demons out of the girl.  Nothing happened.  I was slowly getting desperate, not knowing what to do next.  There was not a stir from the young girl.  I got up from the floor and instructed others to continue praying.  I turned to the small crowd that was gathering and asked about the girl.  One lady who had been a school teacher in the school the girl attended volunteered that the previous year, the girl had come from a distant village to attend intermediate school in town.  One day, she came screaming and terrified into the class room.  She claimed that a human skull had spoken to her and was chasing her.  Another person claimed that the young girl's parents had a temple in their house and the village worshipped a human skull.  I pondered over the information.  I then decided to have a cup of coffee.  I was praying, "Lord, what should I do?"  As I took my second sip, the Holy Spirit said, "Ask its name."  I handed the cup to my wife, bent over the girl and exclaimed, "Spirit, what is your name.  I command you to give me your name."  The girl suddenly spoke in Fijian.  "What did she say?" I asked.  The group said, "King of the Swamp.  Her parents worship the King of the Swamp."


I commanded the spirit to leave.  He refused to budge.  Finally, I asked the spirit, "Spirit, why are you still here?  What gives you the right?"  The girl whispered, "Killings."  "What?  What did you say?" I asked.  "Killings." 


"Spirit, I am going to set you free from your torment on earth and send you to God.  But first, you must forgive those who killed you and cut off your head.  Then God will release you from earth.  I asked God to send His angels and they are here to take you away.  Do you forgive those who killed you?"  The girl slowly nodded her head - Yes.  All this time, she was in a prone position on her back and hardly moved.  Suddenly, she opened her eyes wide and sat up.  The group of around fifteen pastors and members jumped back.  She began to cry and call for her aunty and uncle.  She was set free.  The ghost left.  She said that she could hear everything but couldn’t move.  Suddenly, her body was released.


The Anglican pastor and deacon who had watched the entire proceedings wept.  They exclaimed that they had never seen anything like it.  "One more captive set free.  God is wonderful!" they blurted out.




During a visit to Malaysia, I spoke at a Bible College.  After one of my sessions, students came up to me to asked me to bless their dormitories.  All the women slept in one room, although they had been assigned two to a room.  At night, they could hear a baby crying in one of the apartments.  When I entered the room, one of the members of my group immediately saw what she described as a little boy of about eight years old standing in a corner crying.  “He looks so scared,” she said.  I asked God to send His angels to pick up the child and instructed the child to go with the angels.  The woman with me saw a bright beam of light come through the ceiling and the child disappeared. 


As we walked out of the room, I asked one of the bystanders who the prior occupants of the apartment were.  She replied, “There was a woman living here with her son, but he died.”  “How old was he?” I asked.  “He was around eight years old,” was the reply.




Sometimes, the very presence of the spirit of a dead person can make the living sick.  In one particular case, a young and vigorous lady was suddenly stricken with a strange ailment.  She was a tennis player, would play at least several times a week and was in excellent health.  She landed in the hospital.  The doctors ran her through a battery of tests but could not come to a diagnosis.  Everything seemed to be normal, but the woman could not stand up.  She was so weak. 


When I heard of the matter, two weeks had passed by.  I knew that she had a sister who had died recently from nasal cancer.  I specifically prayed and told the ghost of her sister to release her and not to stay around her because she was causing sickness.  The sick lady got well instantly.  It was almost as if something lifted off and she was released from the hospital the very next day.  Some people’s bodies cannot stand the presence of ghosts and become ill.  I have many other personal experiences with ghosts, too numerous to tell.






The Bible does not speak clearly about spirits of dead people wandering the earth, but the Bible does speak about that topic in indirect terms.  As noted, there are a number of scriptures that indicate that spirits of dead people can wander the earth.  The disciples certainly believed in ghosts of the dead.  The Greek word used for some scriptures, is different from the word “spirit” as used in connection with the Holy Spirit or man’s spirit.  It means “specter” or “phantom” – clearly referring to a ghost.  In fact, the scholars that wrote The Amplified Bible, the New American Standard Bible, the Living Bible and the New International Version use the word “ghost” or “ghostlike.”


You need to pray to God for further revelation if you are not yet convinced.  I am thoroughly convinced of their existence on earth, both experientially and biblically.  These spirits, whether spirits of dead persons or devils, do respond to instructions to leave with God's angels who will take them to heaven to Jesus.  I suppose it is possible for a demon to leave because of the presence of angels and the anointing.  However, my experience also shows that demons will hide and use every deception and legal argument to avoid having to leave.  Some will even claim that they do not have to leave because you did not call them by their proper name.  To think that demons will voluntarily leave just because angels are present is difficult to accept, especially since we have so often engaged in all out battles with demons who refuse to leave.

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